Loading ...Wooden structure found on Turkey’s Mt. Ararat
flockwoodThe wooden boat — or is it a house? — was found at about 12,000 feet elevation.
Evangelical explorers say it must be Noah’s Ark because it’s impossible to build a wooden house 12,000 feet up the side of a Turkish mountain.
Skeptics say it can’t be Noah’s Ark because it’s impossible to run a boat aground 12,000 feet up the side of a Turkish mountain.
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April 27th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Fox News — Fair and balanced!!! Amazing that this story wasn’t broken by the Times . . .
April 28th, 2010 at 8:36 am
How many times are they going to find Noah’s Ark?
April 28th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Only recorded history about Great flood in the world that covered the mountains with water about four thousands years ago is the Noah’s flood found in the Bible. Only the boat and its passengers that survived the flood was the Noah’s ark. After 40 days and 40 nights raining like cats and dogs, the boat reached on top of the mountain and settled down there when water receded. Carbon dating, location (mountainous), height (12000 feet) and wooden box match close to (99.99%) biblical description of great flood. The destruction by the great flood was more than 2004 Tsunami. It is amazing discovery indeed in modern time and remind us that God is good all the time.
April 28th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Julian, is there any drivel that you wouldn’t try to prove from the Bible? And what you describe as the “only recorded history” of the flood is a pretty good imitation of the Egyptian Gilgamesh epic. Is that one true, too?
April 28th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Perplexed, that reminds me of the medieval trade in pieces of the “one true cross,” which some wag said would, if all were put together, equal a hundred crosses . . . Noah’s Ark has been discovered three times during my memory, and yet no one has ever brought back any sort of evidence. Whenever someone is described as an “evangelical” archaeologist, I flinch. I’d as soon get my archaeology from folks who don’t already have their minds made up.
April 28th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
I hear you Caleb and Julian you really need to research the accuracy of carbon dating.
April 28th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Caleb, it seems to me you throw away any biblical truth about any incident like dust of the road with out any judgment. On the contrary, history is judgmental not a science. Some would believe some would not. Fact is that a wooden structure is found on top of the mountain,1200 feet above the ground, which is only possible by a great flood. This story is more convincing than previous Noah’s arch.
April 29th, 2010 at 12:00 am
“Egyptian Gilgamesh” epic???
Ha!
Ha ha!
April 29th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Exactly my point, Justin. All ancient fables are equally laughable. If you took most of the old testament stories out of the Bible and put them in a collection of middle eastern myths, we’d find them as laughable as the rest.
April 29th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Caleb, in that context what you said above about the Bible, 50 years ago when JFK announced that by 10 years man would land on the moon it was laughable, because of our lack of knowledge about space. Same way we have lack of knowledge about God’s spiritual power by which He hang the earth we live on, in an empty space w/o any pillar. Recently Stephen Hawking by his mathematical wizard, discovered space aliens and advised scientists not to invite them to our planet, lest we should feel sorry as it happened to American Indians who welcomed Columbus. Is it not laughable? However, we need to understand Stephen Hawking before we laugh. Again, we need to know God through the Bible before we laugh. Know God by name only as Caleb have through reading other than the Bible is not enough knowledge to understand great power of God who flooded high mountains and raised His Son by three days from death. The Bible, the Bible and the Bible is the only source to know God, there is no alternative Caleb my friend.
April 30th, 2010 at 12:18 am
C.P. you are dense. I am laughing because there is no such thing as “Egyptian Gilgamesh”. You really should know the least thing about what you are talking about before you go trying to debunk someone else’s point. You discredit yourself with your own ignorance.
As for the larger issue, multiple ancient flood stories actually adds credibility to the historicity of the flood event.
May 1st, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Julian, you say: “The Bible, the Bible and the Bible is the only source to know God, there is no alternative Caleb my friend.” Julian, you appear to be a part of the “God in a box” movement, that says that God wrote down everything she had to say in the Bible, and then left it for mankind to use for all eternity. If that’s what you believe, fine, but don’t mistake it for Christianity, a religion that arose hundreds of years before anything like the New Testament as we know it evolved. Fundamentalism may be easier than thinking, but don’t make the mistake of believing that you have the only telephone line to God.
Justin, you’re right that the Gilgamesh epic was not Egyptian; it apparently came from ancient Mesopotamia. The question is whether the Biblical Noah’s Ark story is part of a series of “multiple ancient flood stories,” as you suggest, or whether it is just a parroting of the Gilgamesh legend, which does not add anything to the credibility of the myth.
Now, I’ll admit, that if you had many accounts from civilizations far apart that had never interacted with each other, I’d consider that evidence that something happened, which one would expect if the entire world had been flooded, as Genesis claims. As far as I know, there is no such story outside the middle east. And, Justin, referring to someone as ignorant and dense is not generally how we do things on this blog. I’ve disagreed with everyone who ever posted on here, but have not engaged in personal attacks, and I would appreciate the same courtesy from you.
May 1st, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Fair enough, Caleb. Those are good rules to abide by.
Some have theorized a local flood event, that only affected the Mediterranean basin area, as the origin of the flood stories in that area.
However, many New Worlders, such as the Navajo, also have a great flood in their mythology. Merely a Jungian archetype? Interesting question, we cannot go back in time, but structures on mountains are thought-provoking to say the least, at least to an open mind.
May 3rd, 2010 at 2:54 pm
“Julian, you appear to be a part of the “God in a box” movement, that says that God wrote down everything she had to say in the Bible, and then left it for mankind to use for all eternity.”- Caleb
Caleb, please do not try to kid other Christian with your magic stick “Caleb version of Christianity” who teaches that 1) no one need to believe the Bible but still can be a good Christian., 2) no one need to believe eternal life oppose to hell thru atonement of Christ, God fearing, humbleness behavior etc., but still one can be good Christian thru “LOVE OF GOD” only and no need to know who the God is, what His likes and dislikes are ; 3) no one need to love God, with his/her hearts and souls and follow His commands as found in the Bible, rather follow one’s instinct only and fool yourself believing that God loves you and eat, drink and be merry all the time. Your version of Christianity put real Christians in defensive stand blaming them using God as required though they have define set of guide book the Bible, written by the inspiration of the God, not by individual intelligent like your book “three leg stool”. On the contrary your version of Christianity do not have any guide book and again proud of not having one so that you can manipulate others as you like. Are you kidding us???.
If this is your depth of Christian knowledge, I feel sorry for you, brother Caleb, you are fooling yourself to be a good Christian, wasting your time to convince other Christian with non-sense philosophy of Christian God with no basis to stand on your a philosophy. Do you want me or any Christian to believe you that there is God but He does not have any power to move one object from one place to other in this world. In other word He cannot cause great flood to punish mankind, it is like any other myth found in any other ancient religious. You believe people like you who is hunger for fame and money wrote the Bible stealing other ancient popular stories like flood, resurrection etc. into the Bible for make believe and make them rich and famous.
Brother Caleb, you got to read the Bible not only for a day or two to finish the Bible or to earn post graduate degree on divinity but to read daily to understand reality of presence of living God slowly but firmly and perceive Biblical incidents in perspective. With your in-depth knowledge about God you would rejoice following guidance found in the Bible. And would not branded progressive Christian towards God as conservative oppose to liberal who deviate from the God as liberal and smart.
Like your corporate law which is written by reason and reality, and violators would be punished, Christian God we believe is also understand by reason and reality. God has specific standard to be rewarded and to be punished. Like your corporate law there is also reward and punishment in God’s standard. You being an attorney, I do not think you have difficulties understanding written standard oppose to unwritten. Where would you find His standard? Anything Caleb’s standard or his like minded brother Gene Robinson’s standard is God’s standard? With your concept you are putting God in a box, so that you can use God when you need for personal purpose.
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May 3rd, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Justin, I fear that I know even less about the Navajo than I do about the middle east. However, having just observed flooding for two days in southern Bourbon County, where I live, I can understand the power of flooding as an archetype.
Julian, that’s just more evangelical blather. The fact is that a lot more Episcopalians believe what I believe than what you believe, and we believe it because it is our honest opinions based on the revelations, if any, given us by God, not because we think our beliefs will get us any brownie points, in this life or the next. With you, it’s obvious that you are so scared of going to hell that you will believe any form of evangelical blather that someone spits out, rather like Linus waiting for the Great Pumpkin every Halloween, believing that if he is sincere enough, he will appear.
Julian, there are as many roads to God as there are people. If you truly believe all that blather, then good luck with it. If not, just understand that God doesn’t expect you to check either your mind or your conscience at the door. But let God out of the box every now and then; she enjoys an occasional walk.
May 3rd, 2010 at 4:51 pm
And, Julian, if you think corporate law has anything to do with either reason or reality, you’re not paying attention, and trust me, the big corporate criminals are rarely punished.
May 3rd, 2010 at 8:31 pm
“…and we believe it because it is our honest opinions based on the revelations (by God),..”
Caleb, how do you distinguish revelations from individual judgment? We believe the Bible by its miraculous sign that speaks it is word of God not somebody’s make believe story. What sign do you or your group has to justify that somebody’s statement is not his/her own statement motivated out of sexual drive but from God? For example, you are describing God as “she” speaks about your female prejudice rather than revelations.
Regarding corporate law for reward and punishment, I trust you that big corporate criminal escape punishment because of their attorney’s cunning power to make black into white, not because there is no law for punishment. Are you using the same technique in Christianity?
May 4th, 2010 at 9:31 am
Julian, unlike you, I’m not trying to tell anyone else what to believe, but I reserve the right not to be told what to believe either. If all that evangelical blather does it for you, fine, but don’t try to foist it off on me. Believe what you want and let me do the same.
May 6th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Man, here I am, defending Caleb. What is the world coming to…
A statement made by Caleb is just incredibly damning to what we LDS call the “A Bible, A Bible” argument. I quote, “don’t mistake [Fundalmentalism] for Christianity, a religion that arose hundreds of years before anything like the New Testament as we know it evolved.”
The prophets of the Old Testament testified of what? Of the future birth and coming of Christ. Did they not believe in Jesus because they did not have the Bible as we have it now? So…that leads me to my question:
I realize this question will take the topic onto a complete tangent, but what the heck?
Julian (or any other person of similiar belief),
Where in the Bible does it say that, “The Bible, the Bible and the Bible is the only source to know God…?”
I’m not asking where a great evangelical leader somehow came up with this belief, but where in the Bible, chapter and verse, does it teach this?
Why do you insist on giving the Bible power and authority it does not claim for itself?
Oh, and by the way, with all your studying, you may want to look up and read John 14:6. That will tell you the “only source…to God.”
(I know, I know, complete tangent, but one of these days perhaps an Evangelical can give me a satisfactory answer to this question. None has yet…)
May 7th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Well my God: David and I agree! I was listening to Catholic radio the other day, and a priest said that when Evangelicals starting on this Bible blather, just ask, “What about the first 400 years of Christianity?”
This is not determinative, but the fact is that no one prior to the rise of modern evangelicals in the 19th century thought that the Bible was the sole source of inspiration.
May 9th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
David, I am not surprised that both Caleb and you found common ground at least in weighing the Bible for its complete holiness, in achieving goal of salvation in life after physical death. Both LDS and Episcopal deviated by objective from teaching of the Bible to adopt their own findings on impurities of human sexual life because of sexual urges. As a result, LDS accepted multiple marriages like our Muslim brothers and Episcopal accepted same sex surprising the whole world. On the contrary, the Bible rejected both characters as evil.
Your reference from the Bible John 14:6 (KJV) “6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” The verse speaks about the only and true God of the universe we live now. So the natural question, how could we learn more about the God you referred? And the obvious answer is from the source you found this verse John 14:6, the Bible. In no other book/s, you would find such words. As you raised question about authenticity of biblical truth about source of godly knowledge, I am afraid that you would not find any where in the Bible verse that spoke your quoted words posted above. The Bible only says believe by faith and by knowing the truth found in the Bible that would set you free from doubt. I believe, like Caleb, you too are biased on traditional Christian who believes that the Bible is word of God. As Caleb and you too overestimated yourself that Evangelical Christians do not know that the Bible is comprised of selected books wrote about glory of God with out contradicting each other.
There are many other religious books talked about Jesus, such as “the Quran”, are they talk about the same God as you showed us in John 14:6? The answer is “No”, their interpretation about Jesus is different from those disciples lived with Jesus found in the Bible. The Bible is the source, the standard that opens our inner eyes to hear the voice of our master and helps us identify real over fake revelation caused by human judgment. The Bible is the product of time and efforts by generations with the inspiration from Holy Spirit to guide future generation from misguide. Caleb, do you believe human do not need car or plane to travel, because people used to travel without them before they have been invented? The Bible may be developed around 400 years A.D; does it mean our ancestors can keep faith without written words so we do? Christ revolutionized modern society by staying healthy, happy and fearless thru lesion learnt from the Bible not by anybody’s lip services. In general, the bible teaches as long any spiritual books or teachings glorify God without contradicting with the content of the Bible it is inspirational from the Holy Spirit and that makes Christianity unique from other religions of diversify world of different deity of god/s. Thus, the Bible is primary source of godly knowledge about Christian God.
May 10th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Julian, you truly don’t seem to understand that in Jesus’ day, there was no Bible as we know it today, in that the NT hadn’t been written. And what’s this business about Jesus being “healthy?” There’s nothing in the NY about his health at all, and certainly no idea that he was happy; if anything, the gospels show him as rather sad that his message is not hitting home. You seem to have him confused with Bro. Ben Franklin.
May 10th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
“And what’s this business about Jesus being “healthy?”
Caleb, I know you misunderstood my point about transformation of modern society with message of Christ and become healthy, happy and fearless of future. Before Christ, we gentile were neglected, untouchable but with Christ’s message of equality empowered us, make us children of God. When you are spiritually happy, you are physically healthy too. I know gospels were written after death of Christ to preserve the truth from fading away with time. Thus, the Bible has practical implication in our well-being.
May 30th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
A deep study of Genesis reveals that Abraham’s ancestors came from west central Africa. Interestingly, the only place on the surface of the earth that claims to be biblical Noah’s homeland is Bor-Nu in modern Nigeria, in exactly the region the geneological data tells us Cain lived.
Read more here: http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2010/05/nigerian-boundary-of-sheba-jebu-joktan.html