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		<title>By: JH</title>
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		<dc:creator>JH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s one thing to disagree with the building progam, but some of you are going to far with your criticism.  You should be appalled at your comments that a pastor would wonder how many non-christians money could kill.  Absolutely uncalled for.

As far as feeding the hungry goes:  FBD does feed the hungry.  We also give shelter and jobs to homeless.  We provide sonograms and prenatal care for uninsured, struggling pregant people.  All of these things are done on a weekly basis through various programs and through the time given by members and ministers alike.  These things are very important to the church but are not the most crucial.  The church exists to glorify God and to expand His kindgom while on we are all on earth.  This is why we preach the gospel and ask for people to respond during invitations.  So what that we are thinking on an eternal level in addition to our current one?  

Linda, I&#039;m not quite sure which service you are going to because as someone who participates in all three services we are quite full.  I hope that you find somewhere that you can plug into and find that communion again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s one thing to disagree with the building progam, but some of you are going to far with your criticism.  You should be appalled at your comments that a pastor would wonder how many non-christians money could kill.  Absolutely uncalled for.</p>
<p>As far as feeding the hungry goes:  FBD does feed the hungry.  We also give shelter and jobs to homeless.  We provide sonograms and prenatal care for uninsured, struggling pregant people.  All of these things are done on a weekly basis through various programs and through the time given by members and ministers alike.  These things are very important to the church but are not the most crucial.  The church exists to glorify God and to expand His kindgom while on we are all on earth.  This is why we preach the gospel and ask for people to respond during invitations.  So what that we are thinking on an eternal level in addition to our current one?  </p>
<p>Linda, I&#8217;m not quite sure which service you are going to because as someone who participates in all three services we are quite full.  I hope that you find somewhere that you can plug into and find that communion again.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Durand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy Durand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim,
Kim, I am dismayed at your lack of graciousness in your comments, especially when making it well known that you are a member of FBC-Dallas(and I would assume) a believer in Christ.  Surely, we can disagree with one another without resorting to such unkind comments such as you directed to Linda.  I, too, was once a member and now live in a different state.  I must agree that I am very concerned about the state of affairs at the church from what I read, witness myself when I visit and hear from family that are still attending.  The church, from what I have seen myself and heard from others, is not full but, as Linda indicated, much lower in attendance than even a number of years ago.  Irregardless, the more crucial issue is what is the most God-glorfying way that we can use the resources God has given to us to make eternal investments in others.  I have to question whether a building project such as this one is truly the best investment that could be made for the Gospel.  Where are the mission projects?  Where are the church plants?  Do we really need to build bigger and fancier churches?  Is God truly glorified in this or are we?  And, I think the question needs to be asked, in reaching the world for Christ (which I truly believe FBC-Dallas aims to do), are we looking too much like the world that they do not see Christ in us?  Let us all be carefull not to become too proud (as some comments have reflected) in what our church has done that we exalt ourselves instead of considering the blessing of His grace in even being a part of the incredible task of sharing Him with others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim,<br />
Kim, I am dismayed at your lack of graciousness in your comments, especially when making it well known that you are a member of FBC-Dallas(and I would assume) a believer in Christ.  Surely, we can disagree with one another without resorting to such unkind comments such as you directed to Linda.  I, too, was once a member and now live in a different state.  I must agree that I am very concerned about the state of affairs at the church from what I read, witness myself when I visit and hear from family that are still attending.  The church, from what I have seen myself and heard from others, is not full but, as Linda indicated, much lower in attendance than even a number of years ago.  Irregardless, the more crucial issue is what is the most God-glorfying way that we can use the resources God has given to us to make eternal investments in others.  I have to question whether a building project such as this one is truly the best investment that could be made for the Gospel.  Where are the mission projects?  Where are the church plants?  Do we really need to build bigger and fancier churches?  Is God truly glorified in this or are we?  And, I think the question needs to be asked, in reaching the world for Christ (which I truly believe FBC-Dallas aims to do), are we looking too much like the world that they do not see Christ in us?  Let us all be carefull not to become too proud (as some comments have reflected) in what our church has done that we exalt ourselves instead of considering the blessing of His grace in even being a part of the incredible task of sharing Him with others.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Pedersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Pedersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caleb Powers, why don&#039;t you come learn of how many millions of people we have and will feed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caleb Powers, why don&#8217;t you come learn of how many millions of people we have and will feed?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Pedersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Pedersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey MSDF, we are not playing games here we are Glorifying the Lord.  When you go in the doors of the Cowboy stadium you come out a looser.  When you come in our doors you come out transformed. What we spend and what we want to do for the Glory of the Lord isn&#039;t any of your business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey MSDF, we are not playing games here we are Glorifying the Lord.  When you go in the doors of the Cowboy stadium you come out a looser.  When you come in our doors you come out transformed. What we spend and what we want to do for the Glory of the Lord isn&#8217;t any of your business.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Pedersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Pedersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miss Linda, you could not be a member.  I am a blessed member at that church and it is crowded!  You might want to consider joining a non visionary church because you will be most miserable here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss Linda, you could not be a member.  I am a blessed member at that church and it is crowded!  You might want to consider joining a non visionary church because you will be most miserable here.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Powers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a sad commentary on the denomination, the Church, and the pastor, Asinus. Unfortunately, from what I know of these folks, it&#039;s probably true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a sad commentary on the denomination, the Church, and the pastor, Asinus. Unfortunately, from what I know of these folks, it&#8217;s probably true.</p>
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		<title>By: Asinus Gravis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asinus Gravis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been a recovering Baptist for decades now, I&#039;m reasonably confident, Caleb, that your question never crossed the mind of Rev(?) Jeffress.  Baptists are not much interested in feeding the hungry--that is essentially irrelevant, on their theology, to getting their reserved seat in HEAVEN, on the right hand side of the throne.  Feeding the hungry is purely optional individual private charity stuff--they falsely believe.  Jeffress is more likely to have thought of how many Muslims, or other infidels, one could kill with $130 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been a recovering Baptist for decades now, I&#8217;m reasonably confident, Caleb, that your question never crossed the mind of Rev(?) Jeffress.  Baptists are not much interested in feeding the hungry&#8211;that is essentially irrelevant, on their theology, to getting their reserved seat in HEAVEN, on the right hand side of the throne.  Feeding the hungry is purely optional individual private charity stuff&#8211;they falsely believe.  Jeffress is more likely to have thought of how many Muslims, or other infidels, one could kill with $130 million.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Powers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb Powers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders how many hungry people $130 million would feed. One wonders even more whether anyone at the church ever thought about this question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders how many hungry people $130 million would feed. One wonders even more whether anyone at the church ever thought about this question.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been attending First Baptist Dallas for over a year now, and have felt very blessed by the conservative, traditional preaching.  I had begun the process to join the church, but the discussions about the building plans over the last few months made me uneasy so I decided to wait until they actually unveiled the plans formally.  Before I made a commitment to this church I wanted to be certain that this really was the place for me.  

I shuddered when they displayed the renderings of the new sanctuary.  It immediately made me think of that monstrosity in Houston--Lakewood Church.  What I truly don&#039;t understand is why they need a larger sanctuary.  I attend services there every Sunday and the sanctuary is at best half full.  I am often the only person on the pew where I usually sit.  Occasionally there might be one couple who sits on the other end of the pew.  More often than not, the pew in front of me is empty.  The lovely, historical sanctuary they have now seems more than adequate for the current level of attendance, and could easily accommodate more people.  

What also distresses me are comments made by Dr. Jeffress on several occasions.  He told the congregation during one of the Sunday evening services that one of the conditions of his accepting the pastorate at FBC Dallas two years ago was that they would build a new church campus for him.  During one of the &quot;Ask the Pastor&quot; sessions a few months ago, he said that he &quot;felt God had brought him to First Baptist specifically to build a new church&quot;.  He was speaking of the building campaign, not building the body of Christ.  These comments made me very uneasy.

Some of the buildings in the campus are quite old and can no longer be used.  I can understand why those need to be either renovated or replaced altogether.  What I cannot understand, what I cannot fathom, is why it has to be such an expensive, extravagant project.  They were almost crowing with pleasure when they said that this was the most expensive church building project in modern history.  Where is the humility of Christ?  Why does it have to be such a landmark project?  Why can&#039;t they simply repair or replace the buildings that can no longer be used, but do so in a more modest way?  I just truly don&#039;t understand.    

I realize this is a rather long and rambling comment.  Please forgive me.  I have not been able to discuss my dismay with anyone.  Every single person I have spoken with at FBC Dallas over the last few months is extremely enthusiastic about this project.  No one sees it the way I do, so I have simply kept quiet. 

I am deeply saddened to say that after attending Sunday&#039;s service, where they unveiled the building plans, I do not plan to return to FBC Dallas again.  I feel quite lost and utterly adrift.  Church communion is such an important part of my life.  I don&#039;t know what I&#039;m going to do now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been attending First Baptist Dallas for over a year now, and have felt very blessed by the conservative, traditional preaching.  I had begun the process to join the church, but the discussions about the building plans over the last few months made me uneasy so I decided to wait until they actually unveiled the plans formally.  Before I made a commitment to this church I wanted to be certain that this really was the place for me.  </p>
<p>I shuddered when they displayed the renderings of the new sanctuary.  It immediately made me think of that monstrosity in Houston&#8211;Lakewood Church.  What I truly don&#8217;t understand is why they need a larger sanctuary.  I attend services there every Sunday and the sanctuary is at best half full.  I am often the only person on the pew where I usually sit.  Occasionally there might be one couple who sits on the other end of the pew.  More often than not, the pew in front of me is empty.  The lovely, historical sanctuary they have now seems more than adequate for the current level of attendance, and could easily accommodate more people.  </p>
<p>What also distresses me are comments made by Dr. Jeffress on several occasions.  He told the congregation during one of the Sunday evening services that one of the conditions of his accepting the pastorate at FBC Dallas two years ago was that they would build a new church campus for him.  During one of the &#8220;Ask the Pastor&#8221; sessions a few months ago, he said that he &#8220;felt God had brought him to First Baptist specifically to build a new church&#8221;.  He was speaking of the building campaign, not building the body of Christ.  These comments made me very uneasy.</p>
<p>Some of the buildings in the campus are quite old and can no longer be used.  I can understand why those need to be either renovated or replaced altogether.  What I cannot understand, what I cannot fathom, is why it has to be such an expensive, extravagant project.  They were almost crowing with pleasure when they said that this was the most expensive church building project in modern history.  Where is the humility of Christ?  Why does it have to be such a landmark project?  Why can&#8217;t they simply repair or replace the buildings that can no longer be used, but do so in a more modest way?  I just truly don&#8217;t understand.    </p>
<p>I realize this is a rather long and rambling comment.  Please forgive me.  I have not been able to discuss my dismay with anyone.  Every single person I have spoken with at FBC Dallas over the last few months is extremely enthusiastic about this project.  No one sees it the way I do, so I have simply kept quiet. </p>
<p>I am deeply saddened to say that after attending Sunday&#8217;s service, where they unveiled the building plans, I do not plan to return to FBC Dallas again.  I feel quite lost and utterly adrift.  Church communion is such an important part of my life.  I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m going to do now.</p>
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		<title>By: BagOfNothing.com &#187; Bag of Randomness</title>
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		<dc:creator>BagOfNothing.com &#187; Bag of Randomness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another person&#8217;s view of the First Baptist Dallas project. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another person&#8217;s view of the First Baptist Dallas project. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like they&#039;re taking tips from the Pentagon on effective pricing controls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like they&#8217;re taking tips from the Pentagon on effective pricing controls.</p>
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		<title>By: cheese</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could think of 130 million better things to spend that money on than another church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could think of 130 million better things to spend that money on than another church.</p>
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		<title>By: MDSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>MDSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see. Cowboys Stadium cost $1.8 billion for 80 000 to 110 000 seats; First Baptist will pay $130 million for 3000 seats. That&#039;s $16 363 to $22 500 per seat for Cowboys Stadium, $43 333 per seat for First Baptist.

That can&#039;t possibly be right, can it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see. Cowboys Stadium cost $1.8 billion for 80 000 to 110 000 seats; First Baptist will pay $130 million for 3000 seats. That&#8217;s $16 363 to $22 500 per seat for Cowboys Stadium, $43 333 per seat for First Baptist.</p>
<p>That can&#8217;t possibly be right, can it?</p>
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